tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post8198698347788625906..comments2024-03-15T01:11:32.832-07:00Comments on Bardiac: Teaching CitationBardiachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-53756191728579454232014-12-17T06:34:48.271-08:002014-12-17T06:34:48.271-08:00So interesting the connection between this and an ...So interesting the connection between this and an IRL conversation this a.m.: So they include something about someone else's work in the paper, and cite it appropriately, but it really doesn't contribute to their argument. It's just there. Maybe they think having it there will lend "credibility" to their own argument, but since it's not contributing, it doesn't work that way, even.<br />I am colleagues with a returning student who is struggling with citing to all the correct things and for all the right reasons. She got criticized for citing to a source that did not support her content/ideas/thesis in a paper and got a 79 for the first time ever. She just doesn't get academic writing and all the reasons for citing. I tried (using your previous blog) to talk about the different reasons for citations. She is terrified she is going to get "caught" by turnitin or some other program when she has truly tried to cite appropriately.<br />ChrisinNYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-71066392036923239452014-12-17T00:55:27.759-08:002014-12-17T00:55:27.759-08:00I'm relying more and more on Joseph Harris'...I'm relying more and more on Joseph Harris' book _Rewriting_ to help me deal with this issue. It really gets at the "why" of the issue of sources in a way that most other textbooks don't--that it's about engaging in conversations with your sources, building on or countering their arguments, or borrowing conceptual frameworks in order to advance a common intellectual goal. Sapiencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09259871146375570988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-58528243423179236172014-12-16T13:34:32.941-08:002014-12-16T13:34:32.941-08:00You've hit the nail on the head: they don'...You've hit the nail on the head: they don't know why. I had this problem even in my upper-level literature class this semester. I keep talking about the need to enter into the scholarly conversation, but they don't get it, maybe because most of their conversations involve disconnected messages of no more than 140 characters. I don't know how to fix this but something has to change because the result is some really dreadful reading this time of year.Bevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05412883073330413390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-82485355340557797932014-12-16T11:42:21.568-08:002014-12-16T11:42:21.568-08:00I've been thinking about this a lot this term,...I've been thinking about this a lot this term, having taught a first year seminar on matters of plagiarism and authorship. The students did learn a lot about establishing authority via developed expertise, and about different reasons for citing; they did learn a lot about inquiry and recursive research. But so many of them still clung to habits developed earlier about reading-to-find-a-quote-to-support-the-point-I-already-know-I-want-to-make. I think the shift to reading deeply, and sometimes reading to synthesize and report what others have done/concluded, and the shift to posing a question and then forming an answer, is a huge one.<br /><br />I'm also seeing roots of this in my daughter's middle school experience. In general, I have been impressed by the ways our district teaches writing. Lots of attention to process, to audience, to genre variation, to sharing and reading work. But in 6th grade they are suddenly being asked to research--largely via google--with little to no instruction in research or source evaluation, with no guidance about citing sources much, with no guidance about copyright or plagiarism. I presume this will come later...but it's creating research habits that are actually Not Good. So I've developed a bit more compassion, or something, for the struggles of my first-year students, even as I sometimes felt frustrated that they just couldn't get citation closer to right.susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12000470374101306070noreply@blogger.com