tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post6517008353678326594..comments2024-03-15T01:11:32.832-07:00Comments on Bardiac: Studying IRB StuffBardiachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-79967004381608755162010-06-25T09:59:02.880-07:002010-06-25T09:59:02.880-07:00Sorry for the fuzziness. Here's my thinking: ...Sorry for the fuzziness. Here's my thinking: if you use student papers for research, it doesn't in fact harm a student, assuming its anonymized etc. After all, this is common practice in program assessment. (At least, I can't see how a student is harmed by this, but I may be missing something.) However, once you need to get permission to use student papers in research, however, the need for permission creates the opportunities for abuse -- i.e. grades in return for permission.<br /><br />Does that make sense? <br /><br />And I'd add I'm not arguing against getting permission, because I think it's right; it's just that there are more problems that come with that than the actual use of student work.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09716705206734059708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-51531259137893431872010-06-24T09:28:14.835-07:002010-06-24T09:28:14.835-07:00Thanks, Peggy, if I'm confused, I'll give ...Thanks, Peggy, if I'm confused, I'll give a yell. I have friends here who are on the IRB and who've worked with IRB stuff, and since I think my work is very minimal risk, and I'm trying to be ethical, I think it will be okay. Our IRB folks have a reputation for being very helpful.<br /><br />Shane, I'm trying to do research on how certain learning happens or not in lit contexts.<br /><br />Thanks, Victoria. Yes, it's a good reminder. But it was thought provoking, and that's helpful.<br /><br />Susan, I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying about how once you have to ask permission it becomes a site for potential abuse. Help me out, please.Bardiachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-80321130268325396712010-06-24T09:15:37.521-07:002010-06-24T09:15:37.521-07:00I helped write my former institutions IRB policy, ...I helped write my former institutions IRB policy, and it's useful to remember that it's government mandated, and the training is, as you realized, more about CYA than teaching ethics. Ethics are complicated. <br /><br />The real problem is most social science research offers minimal harm to participants, but there is often a potential for abuse. So really, nothing bad will happen to you if I use your papers to study something, but once I have to get permission, that becomes the site for abuse. Does that make sense?Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09716705206734059708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-40743795430741122762010-06-24T09:07:17.545-07:002010-06-24T09:07:17.545-07:00Ditto Peggy. I serve on our IRB and I do a LOT of...Ditto Peggy. I serve on our IRB and I do a LOT of scholarship of teaching & learning protocols.<br /><br />I have to say that if I saw something aimed at ENCOURAGING a serious gendered behavior as you describe, my eyebrows would rise. Researching the CAUSE of a group's willingness/unwillingness to engage in the behavior might get by me. Thanks for pointing it out. <br /><br />It's an ethical issue that will be new to many IRBs, considering that the historical main aim of IRB was to keep people from infecting Black men with syphilis or using prisoners as convenience samples. <br /><br />The online training is definitely a CYA for the university, one of those things that is thought-provoking only if one is willing to take a few minutes *to* think.Victoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16601902091484978157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-79629144757117556072010-06-24T08:26:39.354-07:002010-06-24T08:26:39.354-07:00Ugh. Discussions of IRB always make me glad I stud...Ugh. Discussions of IRB always make me glad I study published texts. But I am curious what project you're embarking on that involves human subjects...Shane in SLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09009969830290878311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-61567049170071176802010-06-23T20:59:47.678-07:002010-06-23T20:59:47.678-07:00Bardiac-
I've sat on our IRB for a number of ...Bardiac-<br /><br />I've sat on our IRB for a number of years now, and if I can be of any help, let me know. <br /><br />PeggyMargaret Polaneczky, MD (aka TBTAM)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16555722791007332247noreply@blogger.com