tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post122293870087072390..comments2024-03-15T01:11:32.832-07:00Comments on Bardiac: Meet the DeanlingBardiachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-6908535051010785572009-03-28T12:16:00.000-07:002009-03-28T12:16:00.000-07:00I'm amazed -- but, then again I ought not be... It...I'm amazed -- but, then again I ought not be... It's pretty odd that the Dean doesn't have the critical thinking skills necssary to see the contradiction between "Stu has been participating in [sport]" and "Stu is seriously ill, thus can't go to Bardiac's class".Inside the Philosophy Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12255753259090709877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-27577028454723205032009-03-26T09:38:00.000-07:002009-03-26T09:38:00.000-07:00peter, what if F the deanling is carrying out the ...peter, what if F the deanling is carrying out the dirty work of semi-secret policies from above? it isn't exactly a secret that many schools bend over backwards to support their athletic programs, to the detriment of ordinary students. maybe he is a rogue deanling, but it seems reasonably likely he is trying to resolve this problem <I>because</I> there is some pressure from upstairs. the pro-athlete policies are not formal; athletes have to maintain grades and progress or else they can't play. <BR/><BR/>on the other hand, you are correct. <BR/><BR/>dog knows, my liberal arts college was not a big-deal athletic school. we're still bragging about an alum who got a medal in the olympics in the 1930's, i think. and the big football win against USC about 100 years ago. but, the pressure was there to attract and retain athletes. one coach actually did get fired for bad behavior; his tour of the campus for prospective jocks included a stop by my dorm room, because my roommate had been a cheerleader and beauty queen in high school.kathy a.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14479337952651746193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-72983077011558577822009-03-25T19:08:00.000-07:002009-03-25T19:08:00.000-07:00I find this sickening. I'm finding it even worse ...I find this sickening. I'm finding it even worse than the commentors above. <BR/><BR/>I think I'd seriously take this issue over the Deanling's head. This kind of behavior is unconscionable, and the Deanling needs to be smacked down. And, while I'm no expert on sports regulations, it seems like the kind of interference and favoritism that gets sanctions at least for NCAA division I schools. <BR/><BR/>He's asking you to waive attendance policies, to accept work months late to the detriment of students who turned in their work on time, and to substitute other standards and teaching for the course offered by the professor whose credentials meet accreditation standards. He's also bullying, wheedling, and exerting unfair pressure as someone (presumably) above you in the hierarchy. His ass should be fried.Perfesser Slaughterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18121044187510013809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-79140596166938295192009-03-25T17:39:00.000-07:002009-03-25T17:39:00.000-07:00Maybe if we called ourselves coaches we would have...Maybe if we called ourselves coaches we would have more power? And it doesn't strike me that Stu is focused on classes at all, whatever importance sport has for him. <BR/><BR/>Would the coach play Stu because you said it would help his performance in English class?<BR/><BR/>I think F the Deanling is lucky to be alive!Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09716705206734059708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-50093152018742850542009-03-25T17:11:00.000-07:002009-03-25T17:11:00.000-07:00So classic... some things never change. Of course...So classic... some things never change. Of course you did everything right.<BR/><BR/>The thing that's baffling is that they (Stu and Deanling) don't see these issues coming before they ever start. Your class, I assume, is a requirement, and it's important, and the issues of attendance and completing assignments are very basic. Stu, with Deanling's help, has to have a manageable (aka easy) load, and as soon as he misses a class or assignment, a flag should go up. He needs to be held out of practice and made aware that his academic non-performance is jeopardizing his chance to play. Then he might get it. Take away the thing that he cares about, that's important to him; don't try to work it from the other way around. The threat needs to come from the sport, not from you.<BR/><BR/>The only thing you can do is make clear up front what the expectations and requirements are for the course. Which of course you did. <BR/><BR/>It's really annoying just thinking about it. They cast you as the bad guy, and you're the one now who has to complain about it. The fact is that the kid was in over his head and he and the deanling moved too slowly to address the situation. Oops--it's a world where there are actual consequences. Who knew?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-46612154208249700862009-03-25T12:11:00.000-07:002009-03-25T12:11:00.000-07:00on a related note: http://edgeofthewest.wordpress...on a related note: http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/youre-still-getting-an-f-kant-would-have-seen-this/#more-8328kathy a.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14479337952651746193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-37903044865771799122009-03-25T07:20:00.000-07:002009-03-25T07:20:00.000-07:00*face-palm*I keep hearing stories like this and ke...*face-palm*<BR/><BR/>I keep hearing stories like this and keep thinking that the world must be friggin' crazy, but apparently not.<BR/><BR/>Why, Academia? Why must you torture us so?M. Paulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08925739628467279898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-41167997843274636752009-03-25T06:56:00.000-07:002009-03-25T06:56:00.000-07:00Hooray Bardic! You're my hero. Me, I would have ca...Hooray Bardic! You're my hero. Me, I would have caved at some point -- done some ridulous extra work -- and posted many blog posts complaining about it. I am very impressed by how you held your ground.<BR/><BR/>And, yes, eff the Dean indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-75422866862086347102009-03-25T00:07:00.000-07:002009-03-25T00:07:00.000-07:00Wow... Yeah, I am totally with you. I can't believ...Wow... Yeah, I am totally with you. I can't believe the deanling pressured you like that. Unbelievable. <BR/><BR/>I have a student who TEXTED ME while we were in class saying he couldn't make it to class and to please not fail him because he was going to have to miss the presentation that he was supposed to give tonight. This guy missed the first day of class and the third, and now the sixth. It's a night class that meets once a week for a quarter -- seven weeks -- so by missing three classes, he's missed half the class. I waited until after class and then emailed him and told him to withdraw from the class. At this point, there is no possible way to pass, even if he'd turned everything in on time, which he hasn't. My attitude? One less paper to grade. :)Fie upon this quiet life!https://www.blogger.com/profile/12047096700049201873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-23963364256625240822009-03-24T22:54:00.000-07:002009-03-24T22:54:00.000-07:00I'm with TD: I am wowed by your composure. My fa...I'm with TD: I am wowed by your composure. My fave part of this post: "let's call him "F the deanling"." I laughed hard.Renaissance Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06243095907452011303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-36775207506803664752009-03-24T20:56:00.000-07:002009-03-24T20:56:00.000-07:00You handled it well. I'm impressed. :) Students do...You handled it well. I'm impressed. :) <BR/><BR/>Students don't get athletic scholarships at your Uni, right? So it's not like your class will be the sole reason he ends up dropping out of school and turning to a life of crime. :) (Yes, I do kinda feel guilty when my class is one of the reason a football player tells me he's losing his scholarship and dropping out, although I stand firm on my grades. But Stu and the Deanling can't hold that guilt trip over your head, luckily.)Terminal Degreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523014953046778630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-59626935080078704442009-03-24T20:19:00.000-07:002009-03-24T20:19:00.000-07:00You are entirely right, and that you are being pre...You are entirely right, and that you are being pressured in this way is ridiculous. The bottom line is that the student's sports eligibility isn't your responsibility - it's the student's responsibility. I imagine that your syllabus has clear policies about missing class, missing assignments, etc. I imagine the student wasn't unaware of these policies. When I've had a student with a legitimate medical issue, I've always received medical documentation, early in the process, and I've always been able to work out a solution with the student early in the process - not playing catch up after the semester was half over. Helping students to succeed when they are invested in success is one thing: making sure a student passes just so a student will retain sports eligibility is entirely another. <BR/><BR/>I'm mad at the deanling on your behalf. If this were me, I'd talk to my chair and get support there for fighting this pressure.Dr. Crazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12457967076373916629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-65828324447575330972009-03-24T18:51:00.000-07:002009-03-24T18:51:00.000-07:00"I know I'm a bitch, but really if a student is we..."I know I'm a bitch, but really if a student is well enough to play [sport], s/he is well enough to fail a class."<BR/><BR/>NOT bitchy! You're completely right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-48867836250261339732009-03-24T17:36:00.000-07:002009-03-24T17:36:00.000-07:00A guy I went to school with had the best response ...A guy I went to school with had the best response to this attitude. He would say, "X is a game, like hopscotch and monopoly. This is a university. Do you see the difference?"Heohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15790601758953554870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-90696533724403009462009-03-24T16:56:00.000-07:002009-03-24T16:56:00.000-07:00That just strikes me as so ridiculous. I swear......That just strikes me as so ridiculous. I swear...sometimes it seems like admin people have no sense of how to read students' BS.The History Enthusiasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920472487193649652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17974015.post-11248673827993370832009-03-24T16:15:00.000-07:002009-03-24T16:15:00.000-07:00Wow, that is annoying! I would expect that if Stu ...Wow, that is annoying! I would expect that if Stu Dent is doing well in the other courses, dropping your course, alone, shouldn't be that much of a problem. But, of course!, it's probably not the case that Stu Dent is doing okay in the other courses and only in a crisis for your class.<BR/><BR/>I have to admit that I've helped out over the summer more times than I should, once under a very strong demand from my chair and another time because it was sold as avoiding a catastrophe in enrollment conflicts for our department in the next fall. Sucker, eh? I won't be so easily duped the next time, you can believe!Janicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14093558563358431804noreply@blogger.com